From:Dave Ciccalone
Subject:RE: RE: New find, 1923? Henderson chassis Date:Mon Jun 29 17:01:03 2015
Response to:5819

Looks like a 22/23/early 24 Deluxe frame to me. I have one. The engine mounts are inside the frame cradle, eg. not Model K.

The four digit number on the frame is likely the casting number for the big casting under the seat.



Hi Ben
No, I don't think this is a 23 - more likely to be a 20/21 Model K or 22 Deluxe for the reasons given in response to Dan's query from a few weeks ago (though I'm only just getting round to compiling them so give me half an hour from this post before looking for that one...) I don't think your frame number means much - or it wouldn't if it was here in the UK. As far as I am aware, the factory never used frame numbers around this time. Over here in the UK we need a frame number for vehicle registration so they are stamped into place as and when required - after due inspection and completing the necessary paperwork of course. The number is often the same as the engine number - no doubt giving rise in future years to the suggestion that it is a 'matching numbers' bike....... The number stamped could just as easily be the date of stamping or the owner's birthdate. I've registered bikes over the years with all sorts of 'made up' frame numbers! I guess that as long as the number is unique, it doesn't matter much. Things have been tightened up a little in recent years - last year our licensing authority gave me a very long number (about 20 chars and numbers if I remember correctly) which had to be stamped into a Velocette frame. Hope you have an engine for your frame - you would be well on the way to having a great bike then! Steve
I picked this Henderson chassis up the other weekend. New to Henderson but have a number of Big X's from 1915 to 1923 so some of the Henderson chassis parts are familiar. The wheels in it are Excelsior Series 20 that I had already. My question is, is this a 1923 Deluxe Chassis? There is a four digit frame number on the down tube of the head stem, and below that is a single digit 3. In Excelsiors this single digit designates the year of the frame. Is it the same for Henderson? What year did the half pan seat that is on this bike come in? There will be many more questions to come no doubt! Looking for all the missing parts.
Cheers Ben
Melbourne, Australia